Why Luffy and Yonko Commanders are not at the same level as Admirals

I’ve seen a lot of talk about how Luffy is close to if not already at Admiral level of power. I’m going to state my thoughts, provide evidence, and also refute common counterarguments I see many people say.

In my opinion, the Admirals are the most powerful people in the One Piece World behind the Yonko. I don’t think anyone could defeat an Admiral besides a Yonko (and probably Monkey D. Dragon). That makes 5 people in the OP World that are stronger than an Admiral. Yonko Commanders, in my opinion, are not Admiral level, rather there is still a significant gap between the two. I say this because I believe the Admirals are very close to the Yonko in power, and everyone agrees there is a large gap between the Yonko and their Commanders. I’ll give my reasoning for this, and hopefully convince you as well.

I think the biggest reason people disregard the Admirals and don’t see how strong they really are is because Whitebeard defeated Akainu in a pretty epic fashion at Marineford. I love that fight, and while Whitebeard did beat Akainu in the end, people seem to forget that Whitebeard suffered HEAVY damage before finishing the fight. By heavy damage, I mean having a gigantic hole in your chest with magma burning your internal organs (Ace took the same damage and look what happened to him), and having half your face burned off (in the anime it was censored to be just his mustache.)

Akainu literally made Whitebeard, still regarded in his old age as the “Strongest Man in the World”, fall to his knees. Who else do you know that can do that? Can Marco, Jozu, Katakuri or Jack do that? Only another Yonko would have a feasible chance of accomplishing such a feat. Moreover, a few minutes after being defeated, Akainu got up and chased after Luffy and Jinbe to stop them from escaping. That literal island shattering punch from Whitebeard only made Akainu go down for a couple minutes. Akainu, after taking all that damage from WB, was attacked by Marco and Vista at the same time, and they were not able to even damage him. He remarked that they were irritating to him.

Marco is the first mate of Whitebeard, and is at least equal to, if not stronger than Katakuri. If he couldn’t damage Akainu WITH Vista’s help, then even if Luffy beats Katakuri, he most likely wouldn’t be able to touch Akainu.

After seeing this, I really don’t see how anyone can make an argument for Yonko commanders to be as strong as an Admiral. If Luffy is struggling heavily against Katakuri, there’s simply no way that he can match up to someone like Akainu at this point. We can also see from this fight that Admirals are very close to Yonko in power. Akainu and Whitebeard traded heavy blows, and even though Whitebeard came out on top (he is a Yonko after all), Akainu was back up a few minutes later and still posed a massive threat to everyone there, even taking on the entire Whitebeard pirate crew, commanders included.

Again, who else can possibly do that, besides another Yonko? If Yonko Commanders were close in power to an Admiral, than surely this many of them should be able to take down a wounded Akainu? However, Akainu defeated a WB commander , and only stopped fighting when Shanks got there.

This proves that Admirals are very close to Yonko in power, and are much stronger that even First Commanders of a Yonko Crew.

One remark I got when I brought these points up in another thread was “Hey, I said Yonko Commanders are as strong as Admirals, and you’re using Akainu as your evidence. Akainu is clearly the Fleet Admiral, and is stronger than the other Admirals, so Yonko Commanders can still be as strong as Aokiji or Fujitora” 1. Fleet Admiral is just a title, and does not equate to strength. Sengoku was clearly weaker than Akainu and the rest of the Admirals at Marineford, and he was the Fleet Admiral then. 2. Akainu and Aokiji fought for 10 days straight on Punk Hazard before Aokiji lost. Marco + Vista couldn’t damage a weakened Akainu, but Akainu has clear scars from his battle with Aokiji.

From this we can see that Akainu and Aokiji are very close in strength, and there is no reason to suspect that Kizaru or Fujitora/Green Bull are much weaker.

Another common argument I see is “ If Luffy can’t start to beat Admirals now, the story will never end! Luffy has to start being able to beat Admirals soon to advance the plot.”

This argument I think ties into the fact that people don’t think Admirals are as strong as they really are. Luffy right now is very very strong, compared to the rest of the One Piece World. Since he defeated Katakuri, he is at or near Yonko First Commander level, which means that only other Commanders, the Admirals, and the Yonko themselves are stronger than Luffy. He’s not weak by any means. The Admirals, however, are out of his reach at this point, and that’s OK. Fortunately for us, there’s still a lot of One Piece left to go. Luffy still has many arcs left to get stronger. Just off the top of my head, we still have (in no particular order): Wano arc, Elbaf, an arc with Shanks, an arc with Blackbeard, Finding One Piece arc and Final War arc.

Looking at that list, there’s at least 3 major arcs there (Wano, Shanks, Blackbeard) where Luffy can get stronger before the Final War Arc, and this is not counting any other arc Oda decides to put in. Oda is known for adding things into the story at the last minute (for example, the Supernovas), so there’s no telling what will happen. Luffy still has time, and he’ll get there.

In conclusion, I hope people realize that Admirals are not people to take lightly or to trifle with. Admirals are very close to Yonko in power, and I think people will agree that there is a large gap between Yonko and their Commanders, so logically Yonko Commanders are not Admiral level either. I’d love to hear your thoughts on this.

*Theory by kingofthenexus

Written by Gus


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  1. Your theory is flawed because of reily Benn Beckman and katakuri heck even queen did a bracchio bomber and knocked out a yonko so I disagree that the admirals are as strong as yonko if anything the gorosei are the ones as strong or stronger than the yonko and the admirals are at an intermediate level

  2. Do you even know what you’re saying, WB was very old and sick and he still defeated akainu,even though akainu made a hole in him,that was expected, akainu is in his prime and couldn’t even beat WB,that shows the big difference in power,so please don’t start bringing up some stupid shit.and akainu facing WB followers, remember akainu has the strongest attacking fruit,so you should be careful.

  3. I do agree with you on the point that Luffy is nowhere as strong as an admiral but I think you make a mistake when you generalize admirals’ power on the basis of Akainu who is clearly stronger than the rest (we don’t know about green bull). But Benn Beckman easily stopped Kizaru who was also matched by the dark king earlier in the series. Also Fujitora was equally matched by Sabo in Dressrosa showing commanders are strong. And also I don’t think Marco is as strong as Katakuri as I feel katakuri is stronger due to his exceptional observation haki and even though commanders may not be on yonko level but admirals too are weak in comparison to yonkos as akainu lost to old and sick whitebeard (he wasn’t even able to use his conqueror haki).

  4. The difference between Yonko and admirals is large you seem to forget whiteboard was sick the whole time, you can’t compare what a healthy whiteboard would have done to Akainu. Yes Luffy is not there yet but you seem to give this admirals more credit. There are lots of admirals than there are yonkos so why haven’t they match on to face the yonko?s?

  5. Please remember at the time Luffy didn’t know haki, he does not n get is getting stronger each n every day, after he face big Mom n didn’t defeated her, he knew he must get stronger in order to defeated kaido.
    When Ace die he didn’t no haki, if he didn’t he might have suffer injuires n not have dies, he you back to the Marineford war u a will see, Ace didn’t use haki not even once.

  6. Sir how about the king and Ben Beckman.
    Ben Beckman was strong enough to stop kizaru and king was strong enough to stop big mom at wano. Marco matched kizaru and aokoji at the paramount war. And sengoku isn’t weak he fought blackbeard.

  7. It seems to be you have only focussed on Akainu and Whitebeard here… Shirohige and his crew were out of action for a long time unlike Kaido/Big Mom’s crew who are always fighting…Shirohige’s old-age was a factor too…

    On the other hand when Shanks faced Akainu he withdrew immediately and didn’t even think of attacking twice…fear and frustration was clear in his eyes. So the reasoning of The Admirals being as strong as The Yonko is wrong…I mean if that was the case then why did they choose a group of pacifists like Whitebeard to go to war with instead of Big Mam or Kaido who were certainly more troublesome!!

    Also your point about Sengoku being weaker is wrong too…Sengoku and Garp are Navy legends who just don’t like unnecessary fighting…had he been weaker he wouldn’t have stopped Garp from attacking Akainu after Ace got killed because then Akainu himself could’ve done that…But since he stopped Garp it means Garp could actually kill Akainu and Sengoku was stronger than Garp that’s why he could stop him!!

    Also speaking about Akainu if he’s really stronger than Sengoku then why didn’t he face Blackbeard and crew but let Sengoku and Garp handle them?

  8. You say 5 but I’d say there’s a few more out there like Rayleigh went toe to toe with Kizaru and id say Garp even at his Age is a match for a Admiral even a Yonko

  9. I read this entire article and while there are some solid points made in terms of a leveling system there are a lot of flaws considering you’re not factoring in the will of D and luffys ability to use all 3 haki and above all this he basically just passed his teens he still has a lot of potential while I don’t deny that luffy has a way to go before luffy can defeat an admiral on his own we should remember luffy has the ability to befriend basically any enemy and he’s still developing his gears witch in terms speed and strenth would by far surpass any of the admirals except the ones speed so in terms of defeating the admirals luffy can always just throw them in the ocean where in any case any devil friut users case would be both weak and powerless

  10. So much wrong. White beard had sustained injury prior to fighting akainu. Marco was avmatch for kizaru and above all else lol akainu was promoted for a reason. Akoji was hurt by jozu. And my favorite was the 1st commander comparison.. Its isnt comparable. Do i feel katakuri was trying to kill luffy after a certain point? No.. Going all out to protect his family i think katakuri could beat a yonko just being honest. Its just not enough information tbh

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